May 13, 2013

Analysis of the goal conceded against Stoke City (12/5)

Steven N’Zonzi’s goal – A Charlie Adam free kick is shaped towards the near post, with three Stoke runners making moves beyond a static Spurs defence; N’Zonzi flicks the ball goal-wards, and Lloris is unable to keep it out, despite getting a palm to it.

 

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Adam seems to take a strange run-up, quickly placing the ball and dashing back – presumably indicating a near post delivery through a pre-arranged signal. Spurs line up to defend this set piece zonally.

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The runners start to make their moves as Adam runs up to deliver his cross. Parker, Bale, and Adebayor stand their ground in their zones, with Vertonghen man-marking in behind.

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Somewhat shamefully, the static Spurs defence let three Stoke players get in at the near post – Bale and Parker are ill-positioned to deal with the ball or the runners. Parker is too far forward, and Bale sticks to defending his zone, not reacting to N’Zonzi’s run across him to meet the cross. He has a ridiculous amount of space when he makes the header.

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For me, Lloris could do more – he gets a palm to the ball but still doesn’t keep it out. However, this goal has to be put down to the way that the set piece is defended – presumably we set up for a ball to the back post, not realising the threat that was unfolding at the near.

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  • Zonal or not, Adebayor still allows his ‘man’ to run in front of him, while doing nothing about it.

    Was Parker standing there just to take the ball in the face if the delivery was poor? A totally ineffective position.

    I’m starting to get quite annoyed about our ‘defending’ of set-pieces. Surely this has to be the most important area of pre-season focus.

  • Moshe says:

    It’s also what led up to the free kick that was poor. Caulker gave the ball away under little pressure and Dempsey was clumsy in his tackle that gave away the free kick

  • Sweetsman says:

    I’m sorry, but the person at fault is Bale and not Adebayor. This is not the first time it has happened either. Bale seems to be reluctant to get into the physical side of any such contest and is half-hearted in his challenges. I presume that zonal marking means you don’t man mark and so Bale should have attacked the ball, at least blocking it. Lloris seemed to move in slow-motion for this one and appeared hesitant in the first half, which may have been due to the new back four with Caulker in it.

    • Matt says:

      Agreed… Bale has won us a lot of games, so don’t want to attack him, but he’s also cost us at least 4 goals from front post corners and free kicks in recent months.. He’s cost us again this game.. Something they need to work on in training, it’s happening far too often and Stoke of all teams would have known we have been weak here…

    • WindyCOYS says:

      Bale *should* be a very effective near-post screen as he is good in the air, but he does often shirk these sorts of situations.

  • Will says:

    Zonal marking is stupid vs freekicks and corners as you can find yourself marking 2-3 players if they all rush at the ball. IMHO Man marking is the only viable way.

    As for Bale? Nzonzi is a CF and surely that is the job of a CD and IMO Bale has stopped enough goals this season to not warrant any criticism

    • Sweetsman says:

      Bale started life as a defender, whereas Adebayor hasn’t to the best of my knowledge. He is also not above criticism just because he has been our best player of the season.
      Defensive skill includes knowing when not to tackle, but this is missing from the English game.

    • WindyCOYS says:

      NZonzi is a midfielder… Bale’s one of our best in the air, and could do more.

  • Jill says:

    What do you avoid against Stoke – Giving away unnecessary freekicks, corners or throw ins that enable them to put high balls into the box. Step up Clint Dempsey – what a ridiculous foul.

  • Jaye says:

    Jill took the words right out of my mouth. Dempsey got owned in the corner a couple times.

  • fatfish59 says:

    Thanks Windy.

    I’m not a fan of zonal marking, especially against team when everyone knows their main strength is set pieces.

    What concerns me even more is the number of free kicks we have given away in the final third this season, especially from wide areas. Walker in particular has been guilty of this, most likely down to trying to recover from his (correct)attacking full back tendency.

  • Wilkin says:

    Bale & Adebayor were the chief culprits. I however do agree that Lloris could have done better – his reflexes not on point at times. The Stoke goal resembled RVP’s goal for MUFC at WHL…. Expecting more of Lloris next season

  • AlSpur says:

    Although Lloris has undoubtedly been one of the “men of the season”, getting beaten at his near post, like this, is poor…

    His starting position looks wrong to me…

  • GERRYinHONGKONG says:

    If the Arsenal 0:0 Wigan draw doesn’t happen as we all hope, I am suggesting AVB to use and keep the following lineup for all League Cup, FA Cup and Europa League games.

    Archer;
    Naughton, Stewart,Fryers,Smith;
    Livermore,Carroll;
    Ceballos, Pritchard, Mason;
    Kane or Obika.

  • GERRYinHONGKONG says:

    I would also like to see Thudd taking the free kicks/penalty(we deserve one this season) at the Sunderland game

  • JimmyG2 says:

    We’ve got 11 men in the area when the goal is scored.
    3 at the back post marking nobody, 3 marking 4 in the goal and 4 doing absolutely nothing out in no mans land.
    Lloris should have saved it anyway.
    Back to the drawing board as they say.

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