Why I’ve (Temporarily?) Lost Faith In Angeball & Why I Still Wouldn’t Want Him Sacked

Once again we find ourselves divided as a fanbase. It’s no surprise given the way the season has gone to date: seven wins, two draws and eight defeats in the league. Swinging from a low point amongst several other low points in Ipswich at home to a swashbuckling win against the reigning champions, to smashing Southampton and beating Manchester United to conceding six at home.

When we’re good, we’re really good. How often has that been? It depends who you ask. When we’re bad, we’re wide open, and sometimes we are creatively stifled. How often has that been? It depends who you ask.

Below is Nathan A Clark’s 5 Game Rolling xG Trendline for The Extra Inch (Spurs Podcast).

Tottenham Hotspur 5 Game Rolling xG Trendline

This is the third time under Ange Postecoglou that we’ve seen expected goals against rocket up and expected goals for drop at the same time, the two most notable periods being when our centre-backs have been injured. More on that later.

There is a core group of fans that never took to Ange. They sneered at him — an Australian who was best known for winning in Scotland. Double whammy on the football fan snob-o-meter. They were always going to look for the first signs of all not being well and double down. He’s too naive. He doesn’t have the experience of managing a club at this level. He’s not used to facing credible opposition every week.

I think there’s also the opposite — those that will absolve Ange of any and all responsibility when things don’t go well because 1. they like him (boy is he likeable), 2. it’s a ‘project’ (more on that later too), 3. look what happened when Mikel Arteta was given time. How can Ange possibly have been expected to do more given the squad he has been given, the injuries he’s had to deal with, and the total rebuild required?

And I land somewhere in the middle right now. I expected — I think quite reasonably — more progress in year two.

I think the summer transfer window dealt him a pretty rough hand — not enough players for now, not even close to all squad depth being solved, and especially no 1v1 wide specialist, instead a renewal of Timo Werner’s loan. I said all this at the time, for the record, and you’ve likely seen my articles about addressing squad needs. But this has also been a season of unforced error after unforced error from Ange.

In my opinion that has included a style of rotation that doesn’t really work for anyone (what I refer to as ‘Team A’ and ‘Team B’ style – meaning youngsters play with other youngsters and ‘squad players’ rather than the rest of the ‘first XI’), to repeatedly bringing back players early from injury only for them to re-injure themselves, to a, let’s say, ‘restrained’ use of substitutions and some extremely poor in-game management.

My view on rotation is that the dream scenario is to have a squad where each player can be rotated out in a way that allows them to be suitably rested (particularly when your club is involved in European competition), and that the incoming player(s) won’t create a significant drop-off when part of a greater collective. That means that in every game you can be rotating one, two, maybe even three players. Liverpool have done this for years. City do it. Yes, I appreciate they have deeper squads. Our rotation this season largely sees us make six or more changes for the competitions which seemingly are less important to us, meaning that the incoming players never really get to experience being part of an otherwise full-strength team. It means that they are then not trusted to be a part of that team until the injury crisis means there’s no other choice — hence Djed Spence, Lucas Bergvall, Archie Gray only now getting regular Premier League minutes. It has created a situation where we only have eleven, twelve, maybe thirteen players that are genuinely considered ‘first team’. The players who have played the most minutes (Pedro Porro 1,888, Dejan Kulusevski 1,784, Dominic Solanke 1,747 and Destiny Udogie 1,685) are the players that visibly appear the most tired and whose tiredness also seems to impact us. In the games where Solanke has been less intense, our press has suffered. When Kulusevski is tired, he wins fewer duels. When Udogie and Porro are tired, it’s noticeable how much our ball progression from deep drops off.

We clearly lack depth in some positions (centre-back and passy number ten being the obvious two) but we have some areas of the pitch where I think constant, regular rotation would have worked — Gray and Spence at full-back, plenty of midfield options (albeit not a decent number six rotation, though that appears to be through choice), plenty of wide options. The impact of not readying players to step in is that when the injuries have come, we’ve suffered. And those injuries have really come.

The recent case of both Cristian Romero and Micky Van de Ven returning from injury early and exacerbating their injury issues immediately is in addition to Wilson Odobert and Richarlsion having done the same. The argument goes that Ange ‘cannot be blamed’ for Romero re-injuring himself since it was a different injury. It feels to me too curious a coincidence that he returned extremely quickly — acknowledged by Ange — having not had the additional training sessions (and, therefore, strength and conditioning sessions) to build up his sharpness and resilience, only to go down with a muscular injury, like so many others. I can’t really get my head around how this has been allowed to happen. Players should not simply be able to dictate their returns, nor should injury crises impact on an individual player’s readiness to play after injury. But our injury situation more broadly is just as concerning. Ange has accepted that injuries are just sort of baked into the style of football and intensity of training, saying:

The nature of the way we train and play is always going to be on the edge, it’s kind of by design which means you can have some attrition but the ones we’ve had this year for the most part like Richy and Wilson are just a consequence of the way we train and play and players just not being ready for it.

Ange Postecoglou explains what he told Cristian Romero after Tottenham and Argentina injury problem – Football.London

With the thinness of our squad and number of games, surely we needed to factor this in to training and intensity of play and build up more slowly? If Ange has seen this happen at previous clubs, I wonder why he has not adapted and, instead, just powered through with an insistence that players will either adapt and become mainstays, or saunter off to new clubs, their bodies somewhat broken and inadequate. This, to me, feels at odds with an otherwise modern and progressive style.

This ties in to what I perceive as a prioritisation of physical prowess over technical mastery. Our squad really lacks technical excellence, pretty much all over the pitch. We have a subset of players who I would say display plus-level technical skillsets over and above the competition in their positions across the league: Pedro Porro, Cristian Romero, James Maddison, Micky Van de Ven and Dejan Kulusevski (the final two both in terms of ball mastery and comfort in possession rather than passing). The lack of genuine passing ability elsewhere in the squad means that when we don’t have the likes of Romero and Maddison in the team, we really lack the ability to progress the ball and find creative passes, meaning we rely heavily on chance creation from winning the ball back with our pressing. Which works really well when teams come out to play against us — boy have we seen us punish some of those — but less so when teams sit deep and allow us to have the ball.

I think the signing of Radu Drăgușin needs to be viewed through this lens too. He is undoubtedly a physical phenom with incredible strength and neck muscles and decent recovery pace yet he is, in my view, a totally inadequate profile fit for the style of football we are trying to play. Ryan Gravenberch revealed after the 6-3 home defeat to Liverpool that they targeted Drăgușin — though frankly we needn’t have waited for the confirmation, it was evident through the eye test as it has been several times before.

Yeah we had a really good game plan, we wanted to keep them on the right side and press the right centre-back. Sometimes it went well and sometimes they did it good but by the end, I think we did really well.

Liverpool star reveals attack was focussed on one Tottenham man in brutal 6-3 pasting – Football 365

I appreciate that we needed to sign a centre-back urgently last January, but Ange signing off on Drăgușin to me seems really bizarre. In my opinion, he is going to need replacing within the next two windows and maybe we luck out and that’s Luka Vuskovic (or Ashley Phillips — unlikely in my view from a technical perspective — or Alfie Dorrington — unlikely in my view from a body-being-able-to-cope-with-Angeball perspective).

So my biggest gripe at the moment is that in order to see the fruits of Angeball we seem to require the perfect player in every role. If one is missing, we don’t click. Without a 1v1 winger on one side and a shot-heavy, back-post arriving winger on the other, we don’t maximise our chance conversion. Without a transitional eight we get caught often on the counter. Without a passing midfielder we lack the ability to break down a set defence. Without ball-playing centre-backs and a press-resistant six, our progression suffers. I think this has been heavily impacted by our player recruitment and our style of rotation — had we greater depth and/or more players used to playing with nine or ten of the ‘first XI’, the consequences of inevitably missing players would be felt less keenly. As it is, we suffer a terrible drop-off with a handful of injuries. And given that injuries are seemingly just a part of the process, it’s hamstringing (pun intended) us significantly.

One of my other most common complaints this season is how passive Ange has been in terms of his in-game management. So many times it feels to me that the momentum of a match has switched against us, and we need to change something in order to re-gain it. Fresh legs, a tactical tweak, something. I wait, and I wait, and a goal goes in, and I wait some more and then maybe he’ll make a like-for-like change. That’s how it feels, at least. Some people argue that this is a long-term strategy designed to encourage the players to find solutions on the pitch. I just can’t buy into the theory that a Premier League manager would deliberately risk dropping points for a potential future gain that may or may not materialise, particularly with the knowledge of having a trigger-happy owner standing over him.

It feels as though multiple teams have found multiple ways of stopping us playing and that we have little answer for it. When we have come up against competent tacticians — Thomas Frank, Kieran McKenna, Andoni Iraola — we have lost out. The main method has been to allow our centre-backs to have the ball and block the passing lanes into midfield, thus forcing us into either low percentage or high risk passes.

And yet, despite all of my complaints, the reason I wouldn’t be thinking about sacking Ange is two-fold. I don’t want us to rush the next appointment — maybe the grass isn’t greener. And, in the meantime, I think the principles that Ange is instilling are and should be the sorts of principles our next coach instils anyway. Playing out from the back. Pressing intensely. Possession-based play. Plus — you know — maybe it will click! Maybe we’ll have the right players available, maybe we’ll be injury-free.

That doesn’t mean to say that I think we should endure unfettered suffering (yes this is hyperbole) because of a ‘project’. Ange is part of a bigger project, not the project itself. The project — as I see it — is transitioning to becoming a team that plays modern, progressive football whilst developing young players, challenging for trophies and qualifying for Europe on a season by season basis. Ange is a means of achieving that (and I think it’s fair to say that he is achieving aspects of it – the principles identified above, certainly). If he were to win a trophy this season, for example, for me that buys him another year. But if the Rolling xG Trendline continues to be objectively bad, that cannot just continue indefinitely. There have to be tangible improvements. Hopefully that will happen when players get back from injury, and hopefully we don’t suffer another injury crisis. Hopefully we’ll strengthen in January. Hopefully we’ll find tactical solutions to the problems we’re struggling with. But I just worry that too many stars need to align for this to pan out well. I really hope I’m wrong.

The development of young players is both club strategy and makes smart business sense. On paper, Ange has objectively done a pretty good job of giving minutes to young prospects this season (Gray 1,137, Bergvall 525, Moore 288, Lankshear 135). I think the first three have become genuine options, but obviously especially Gray. I would add, though, that my earlier point about rotation does impact youth development. For example, Lankshear’s only two starts came in teams alongside Gray, Bergvall, Moore (and Werner) vs Ferencvaros and Gray, Bergvall (and Forster, Drăgușin, Davies) vs Galatasaray. If Lankshear is to be given a platform to succeed and the chance to be fully trusted as a first team squad member (which, remember, is why he was not sent on loan this season) then he would be best used amongst an otherwise ‘full strength’ (or close to) XI in my opinion.

The only reasons for firing Ange at this point, as far as I see it, would be if we were at risk of relegation (at 11 points ahead of the bottom three I’d like to think that wouldn’t be an issue) or a reoccurrence of bringing back a player from injury too soon. I don’t think we should persist with a coach who doesn’t learn lessons and continuously puts our players at risk of injury. Aside from that, I think he should be safe for the rest of the season. And hopefully we will manage to win a trophy!

Many people will be reading this thinking it’s too short-termist, not thinking of the bigger picture, being overly critical of Ange given the squad at his disposal. I know that, because we regularly receive those emails to The Extra Inch inbox. I am definitely sympathetic to these arguments, but I hope I’ve addressed above why I don’t accept them. I think even given the players at his disposal, we should be doing better. I think the bigger picture, the long-term is bigger than Ange.

I’m writing this ahead of the Nottingham Forest game. I’m not feeling confident. A win for them would take them 11 points ahead of us. We’d be unlikely to turn that around, I think. It’s really important that we win this game.

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  1. Fantastic insightful article, but all your points to a poch who got balance right with far less backing
    1. And was it not the very same man who foresaw Spurs could not properly progress without a radical change of philosophy towards investment and recruitment before being ditched by Dan Levy after a downturn in form. Levy not only massively let Pochettino down - even failing to invest at all in any recruitment one summer - and what has ensued since is a transfer strategy which fails to bring the very best of talents where Levy settles for lesser quality and unproven players. And this reflected in both Tottenham's inability to win trophies and the various squads since Poch's demise. I have long felt the real change necessary is for Levy to step down and out of the picture for as a football club Spurs have no genuine direction in becoming a title challenging force.
  2. I like a lot of what you are saying-- particularly concerning depth and causality of injuries. I am less convinced about A or B team rotation-- felt it was more of an issue under previous managers but with this one Gray was given a chance pretty early, when Bergvall was he failed, and the illness to Moore and injuries to Odobert have stunted their possible growth. The obvious flaw which we all saw from the jump was the failure to register Spence for Europe-- but then again, he was injured for most of a couple of months even before Ange ignored him until he was forced to play him. The league may be beyond redemption except possibly 6th or 7th-- but the Cups are not and, as Ange indicated yesterday, the squad needs to be bolstered to play in those competitions. So even given your mostly accurate critique, the season is salvageable. And dammit, it;s Christmas!!!
  3. I think there are so many now questioning the very essence of what it is Ange is trying achieve. There is nothing wrong with a philosophy of high press, high intensity possession based football aimed at breaking the resolution of defense's with a literal bombardment of attacking football. But herein lies the problem. So much of Tottenham's football fails to make good on the philosophy. Much of the build up play is both too slow and too predictable, and so often results in not only a failure to generate genuine goal scoring chances; but equally and worse still sees Spurs recoiling so often in sheer panic whilat vainly attempting to defend the onslaught of numerous counter-attacking opportunities that see Spurs concede so many lamentable and arguably avoidable goals. Of course there are key injuries to a depleted squad of questionable and quality and depth, yet I struggle to make sense of any real plan when defenders do not seem to understand their roles and lack the ability to defend cohesively, when attacking football appears too often devoid of any real sense of plan and so often results in squandered possession. No one can really argue that Tottenham do not have a decent amount of the ball, however the dark side to that possession is so much of it around the centre of the park goes nowhere of consequence in their own favour.In short Tottenham are too often poor in defense and poor in attack. Angeball may well worked successfully in other leagues but I am truly questioning now whether firstly Tottenham have the personnel and depth to pull it off, but perhaps more importantly whether his style is just to naive for the competitive nature of the premiership itself? Either way things aren't exactly working out and if the pattern continues his insistence on sticking to this game plan so patently flawed it may ultimately cost him his position. In some ways I empathise with Ange for there is clearly a real intent to alter the clubs wayward path. But he as so many before him had to deal with a blatantly obvious problem in a longterm transfer strategy which has been and still is so woefully flawed and inadequate. Many would point the finger of Spurs vast shortcomings clearly in the direction of one Dan Levy as the architect in chief, come pantomime villan here, Nonetheless it remains clear if history dictates as always before whose head is really on the block when push becomes shove, and if things so not change soon its probably just a question of time.
  4. Take away the sheer fluke of Postecoglou's first ten PL games of last season, and we're barely mid-table in a full year's football, and those who think that it'll all come good in time, are totally deluded. 'Playing out from the back' might work for Barcelona and City (or it used to!) but it's a stupid managerial indulgence for Spurs, destroying the confidence of our already shell-shocked defenders,and it's only the most obvious symptom of a managerial philosophy utterly detached from the reality of Spurs 2024. Postecoglou's got to go, and if Levy fell on his sword as well, we'd have the perfect Christmas gift. OK - Levy's going nowhere, but keeping the hapless, hopeless Ange is pointless, literally.
    1. Playing out from the back is not the problem. Of all the issues with the team, the one thing we do well is progress the ball upfield from deep. Not perfectly. But pretty well against all opposition. And then lose it cheaply further up the pitch. That’s the problem.
  5. I agree with most of what you say my biggest worry is watching Ange look totally non plussed when there is a need to change our system when the game is going away from us. I really don’t think he has that ability as all top class coaches have, when I saw who Levy had appointed I was really worried. He for me does not have the basic ability to manage in the premiership. There are basically only two clubs most seasons in The Scottish Premiership Celtic and Rangers so he was not under pressure week in and week out as he is in the Premier league. He just looks short of ideas and will drag us towards the bottom of the league. Also his method of play and training is putting a strain on the players which for me is the cause of all the injuries we are suffering. For me we need a coach who can actually coach at this level before it’s too.
  6. I’m afraid the injuries, though amplifying our troubles, and the thin squad and the shortage of truly top class players all mask the fact that Ange is totally out of his depth. He was worked out after the opening ten games of last season and it was clear to me that either we waved him goodbye last summer or we were destined to finish mid table. There is no point continuing a project if it’s clearly doomed. Ange’s tactics will never work in the PL. When Man City were bossing it they pushed one full back into midfield. With less talented players, Ange thinks you can push up both full backs and make do with two defenders. Nonsense
  7. It's not Angeball that's the problem. It's the quality of player we have to play it. If Levy won't sign top quality players then don't bother at all and waste the money we do have. We need to sign players that go straight into the starting 11, if not the quality of the team won't improve and that is exactly what we need right now, we need to improve the quality of the starting 11 not the squad, the squad will automatically improve by improving the team. Number 1 keeper, two class centre backs that won't get injured every time they put in a sprint. A solid class number 6, a winger that can beat his man a find a cross, and an out an out striker that knows where the back of the net is. There's 6 players that are needed, and not to be back up to who we have, signings that will start.
  8. I doubt our results would be much better with the injured players fit. Obviously a training issue! I do not see a pattern to our play, other than bomb forward outrun the other side and hope we do not loose possession. Mind you we supporters are not near the top of the table either.
  9. Rational comments. Wonder about the true quality of the players and a squad lacking in depth and capability for a top 6 finish let alone top 4. The injuries have virtually made any possibility highly unlikely. The attacking philosophy seems workable and we’ve seen elements in practise but often let down by inconsistency and some basic errors. A tweak may also be needed on occasions to sure up defensively. Ange needs to have a better squad with more experience and high quality to enable Angeball. However, Levy is unlikely to spend! If Ange was to go could anyone do any better especially with the abnormal number of injuries and with this squad.
  10. Some reasonable points and some strained arguments mixed in here. Slow to make subs - seems fair. Seemingly reluctant to change things to 'manage' mid-game - seems fair. Wrong to sign off on signing Dragusin - well hang on, we can all see that he's a bad fit but we just don't know whose decision that was, exactly why it was made, what other options were available in the market at the time if any, but does seem a bit of a stretch to blame Ange for that one when Lange is DoF and plenty of others must have been involved. Rushing players back from injury so they get injured again - well hang on, do we know they got injured because they were 'rushed back' - no. Do we know they were rushed back at all - no. Do we know that Ange was responsible for 'rushing them back' - no. Again, there must have been lots of people involved in those decisions and lots of people who thought they were fit to play, medical team, the players themselves etc as well as Ange. So sure, chuck his name into the mix if you will but it does seem a bit of a stretch to blame Ange for Romero and VdV getting injured second time around. We seem to need the perfect player in every position for Angeball to succeed - well no, we've never had that at any point in the last 18 months even with our first choice 11 fully fit and yet we've all seen Angeball work on plenty of occasions. Someone did an xGA analysis with/without Romero and VdV recently and it was stark. The xG trendline neatly coincides with their absence. At the moment we have no centre backs and a gassed Son taking up space because he's the undroppable club captain. Get Romero + VdV and a fit Odobert into the team and I've faith that the xG trendline you are worrying about will swiftly reverse. Recruit a CL quality passing 6 and a back up for Solanke in the summer and next season we're winning the lot.
  11. Bale inadvertantly provided Levy with a business model for football-buy talented young players cheaply and sell for a significant profit. The squad is terribly thin re ready to play proven CL level talent and changing managers has never addressed this issue at Spurs. Young players have growing,maturing bodies and injuries are more likely. Similarly older players who have to play nearly every game are going to be fatigued at some stage: Deki & Son are 2 obvious ones. More than 20 years of relative failure for the supporters has built so much frustration that it is difficult for anyone including O'Hara to think clearly/positively about Tottenham.
  12. I agree with this all over. Most matches, momentum turns against us early in the 2nd half… and nothing changes. It’s as if Ange doesn’t even SEE defence, as if he’s purely watching how our offence is working and couldn’t care less whether the opposition score or not. Which would be fine - if it was working and effective. The times I’ve seen us play best are against City… when we accept that they’ll have the ball, sit a bit deeper and concentrate on defending. At those times, we then progress the ball well and make good chances against a stretched defence

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