Tim Sherwood on our use of the loan system
Much has already been written about Tim Sherwood, our Technical Co-ordinator (at the time of writing!), with many anticipating that he will be promoted to a Technical Director/Director of Football style role.
As it stands, though, Sherwood is still very much focused on bridging the gap between our Development Squad (essentially those who have progressed beyond the U18s, either due to age or ability), and the first-team. Part of his remit, as we know, is to manage the loan players – ensuring that they are sent out to an appropriate loan club and properly handled when there.
Previous approach to loans
In a telling interview last week, Sherwood told Alex Aldridge (@accordingtoaldo) from NewsAtDen:
“I will sit down with the new manager and talk in more depth about his philosophy on loaning younger players. But I think there might be a change of tack, because we don’t really learn anything from sending players to the Championship for a second time.”
It is quite clear, then, that the Manager/Head Coach’s view on the loan system is a vital when it comes to decision-making. We know that Redknapp was a big fan of players going out on loan – in this interview with The National, he spoke of the young players he managed at West Ham, saying:
“I have always felt it is far better for talented teenagers to go out on a longish loan spell to a club lower down the leagues where they come up against seasoned pros and have the opportunity to play lots of games rather than sit on the bench or play in games that might come too easy for them.”
The problem with the approach taken last year (seemingly based on the above) was that we seemed too quick to get as many players out as possible with, it seemed, little thought as to the selected club. Whilst some players got regular action, others (Carroll, Mason, Khumalo, Bostock, Oyenuga, etc) were struggling to get regular games due to being either unsuited to the loan club’s style or indeed to the league that they were sent to play in.
It seems as though lessons have now been learnt, and Sherwood’s comment illustrates that we are prepared to lean from experience and change the way that loans are managed.
The interview was primarily about Harry Kane potentially returning to Millwall for the coming campaign, and Sherwood revealed that this would be unlikely:
“We don’t think there’s any value in loaning Harry out to the Championship again. He’s ticked that box. He may need a few more games if he’s not in the frame at Tottenham, but he’s going to be given every opportunity to prove himself to the new manager.
If the manager decides he’s not ready, that would be the only time we would consider loaning him out. But as we stand, we’re not looking to loan him.”
Villas-Boas will want to be able to have a close look at Kane in pre-season and potentially use him in the Europa League prior to making a decision on where he will spend the majority of the season.
Interestingly, Sherwood also gave some insight as to how Millwall were chosen as a destination – and it does seem to be a case of “who you know not what you know”:
“I know Kenny Jackett because we played together at Watford, so there’s a connection there. Millwall is a good move for our young boys because it gives them experience and it’s local.”
However, he was also quick to point out that even a “tried and tested” loanee club will not suit every player:
“Sometimes it works out, as with Kane, but sometimes it doesn’t, as with Mason.”
This, in my opinion, is the crux, and the key aspect of Sherwood’s job; Ryan Mason, the talented number 10, has not had too much luck out on loan, and it might be that he is a player who will be better off amidst the Development or even first-team squad, learning from Villas-Boas and his team. It’s Sherwood who ultimately has to make these decisions – which players are suited to loans (and where), which are better off within the confines of the club – and also to pull players back when things are not going to plan (as happened a couple of times last season).
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[good stuff as per mr WINDY.
Would have thought he could be part of the squad this year, as he's able to cover for both full backs and also Europa League games.
Another interesting post, Windy. Thanks.
Villa and Southampton are rumoured to be chasing him.
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For all of Redknapp's experience with youngsters that have gone on to do well in the Premier League, I was surprised that he seemed not to give our younger players more first XI opportunities. Then again, I guess that's why he sent them out on loan.
Also hated that he often went with two goalkeepers on the bench rather than using a young player.
Regarding Jibby's comments on the two Kyles, it is clear that they are both decent players, and both have followed the same route (as has Caulker) of being loaned out to increasingly more prestigious league sides. All three of them gained PL experience and they would definitely all walk into our current squad as Walker has proved.
I find myself in agreement with Sherwood. What is the point of repeating a loan of say Harry Kane to Millwall? If he has not improved enough to go up another division, or at least be a regular for a team challenging for the Championship, then he is unlikely to ever be the type of forward we are looking for. that's how the two Kyles and Caulker have done it.
See Windy's response for an explanation. As with the other three players I mentioned, the question is not whether he is good enough to play in the lower divisions, we know he is. The question is whether he can advance to play just as well at a team in the PL, or at least challenging for the Championship. Thus a second loan (for the purposes of developing the player) to the same club is unlikely to teach us anything new about Kane.
Strictly my opinion, but I have not seen anything about HK that suggests he will ever make it as a regular, but I'd love to be wrong. He is coming up for 19 years of age, and if you look at our most successful strikers over the years, they were first choice at that age, and not "potential possible maybes".
Personally couldn't understand what players were going to learn about Premier League football from playing at Yeovil. Perhaps TS could widen his network and build links with continental teams where young players are likely to be technically better and less likely to get kicked to bits.
Re: Yeovil - certainly under Skiverton they were trying to play the right way. My concern is that it's such a long way away that it's difficult for the club to monitor them.
Bentley has been to many clubs on loan but has produced nothing for any of them so sometimes it is the player that's to blame and not the club he goes to.
are coming to an end.
Signing of Gylfi and Vertonghen and the use by AVB of an established club figure who has been doing a good job would seem to indicate that the club will be put on a more professional footing.
In this respect the use of our main resource,the players,is the most important.
New stadiums and state of the art training facilities are all very well but the waste of talent has been the most upsetting feature of Harry's reign to me.
TBH I heard that Bostock had a few "issues" off the pitch (which could explain some of the poor performances I saw from him in the U18s). Now he has knuckled down, but it could potentially be too late for him at Spurs; don't think he is flavour of the month.
I think Bostock can only play in a certain formation and style, if anything he would probably fit into an AVB system. I think people forget he along with Parrett (who both cost a fee thus get more grief) are only 20. Livermore broke through when he turned 22. Give them a chance, especially Parrett who's actually done well out on loan most of the time.
Modern football has changed, maybe for the better maybe for the worst, but the youngsters we see turning out for the first team at 17 nowadays are either Rooneys or more often very quickly forgotten about.
No young player would ever get in the team unless it was an absolute emergency and would only stay there in they were absolutely exceptional (Bale / Walker), which doesn't often happen.
I have often maintained when all the Harry-ites were saying (but we're playing good and got 4th) that a better manager would do so so much better with our squad than he could ever do.
Would be good to see how it's all coming together (especially with the 25-man squad rule) and where strengthening is actually required?
the wonky eyed cunt. :D
High hopes for kane though if only he could be quicker cos from what i have seen he is a bit of a striker vdv with a hefty shot and ability to slide balls on the turn very strong and physical too
Perhaps a loan for Carroll in the Championship will help.
Bostock? no idea if he will ever make it in the Premiership..
I don't think Naughton's good enough at left back, which is why I think we're trying to sign Zeki Fryers.
Point 2 - Harry Kane (as many have mentioned) is about to be 19. Strikers making it at this age are incredibly rare. It is clear that he is not a Rooney, Owen or Fowler (because he isn't scouse?) because those other 3 were demanding to be picked through ridiculous scoring ability. We have proven that Kane is not that from his time at Millwall, so no rush job needed. Let him mature in his own time, and loan him out to some choice locations. He does not come across like an AVB type player anyway.
You honestly tink BAE and Walker don't need resting? Did you not notice their form dips due to exhaustion? BAE regularly tweeted about being exhausted.
On the other hand - ABSOLUTELY agree re: Kane, except that I think he could potentially be an AVB player as he has genuine football intelligence.
It was clear that strong squad or not Harry didnt think this way, letting Corluka go on loan and bringing back a youngster that would only ever be replacing walker if his leg fell off.
As of Kane, I am now quite excited by him, he still doesn't bustle as much as I would like, but he does look clever, like Barmby did at his age. And before I get mocked for praising Barmby, he was a great potential who would have done well to stay away from Left Wing
Scored a well taken goal, set up the first with an astute pass, took an excellent free kick and showed strength and work rate from midfield.Some quality passes to the wings.
Would benefit from staying with the squad until at least Xmas and then going on loan to Prem. club depending on the Europa/cup situation in January.